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Friday, September 28, 2007

 

[e-litebeat] Prize Money Resolution- dropped

All- thanks again for your quick feedback regarding the proposed prize
money resolution. Due to your comments, the AAC is NOT submitting the
resolution to the board...

Thanks again for your comments,
Alison & The AAC

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RE: [e-litebeat] Resolution on prize money for amateurs

that is just wrong, amateurs should be allowed to race for prize money, there are PLENTY of sports that allow that (swimming, running and cycling come to mind real quick).  This change is bad for USAT and for pro's.
 
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RE: [e-litebeat] Resolution on prize money for amateurs

I do not agree with the change either.  Those who finish at the top of the podium or in the prize money, whether they are an amateur or Pro deserves the prize and respect of the elite triathlon community.  We need to be leaders and support triathlon and not just for ourselves...

Not everyone has the opportunity and the means to turn pro and keep it as a profession though they may be just as talented as the pros in the race. 

I also agree with Judy on the the "pro qual and requal for long distance racing is still unsatisfactory and needs to be revised".  We are all in different situations and race for different reasons.  And long distance is a tough cookie to race - you can't do it half-ass.  A few years a go I was a decent pro, not the top of the ranks but I could hold my own... but circumstances change.

I am now a full-time working mom supporting her husband and family while husband goes to law school. I will probably be losing my pro license at the end of this year because my health and my family responsibilities have kept me from consistent training over the last two years since having my daughter.  It is unfortunate to lose my license as I am finally getting to a stable point where I am healthy, can afford to hire sitters again, train more, and maybe travel to races.

The fire is still in me to race... and to win the race... I would like to stay a Pro triathlete...and will work to requalify.  It isn't my livelihood and probably never will be but it is a passion... every time I get on a starting line it was with the intention to win the race.  I know you y'all feel the same way, otherwise we wouldn't be here.. 

I know it is my responsibility to follow the rules that are created and it is my responsibility to have raced enough to keep my card, I made my bed so I know it is my actions and situation that have put me where I am.  But as one of those pros who still has alot of potential talent...I have to be honest... what now?  I am kind of apprehensive to go back to the ranks.   As a long distance 'former-pro', there are no advantages to getting back in the racing scene.  Long distance events are so popular now, age-groupers have to sign up a year in advance...

It has been an honor to have been one of only 160 elite females (per the 2006 numbers) in the sport of triathlon. And I want to thank you all for allowing me to spill my feelings like this......  And who knows, hopefully, I will be on the starting lines with you again soon.  But how many people are we losing this year?  How many are we gaining and when will we be satisfied with who is an elite and who is not?  We are going to limit ourselves so much that we will be seeing the same people on the starting lines without giving anyone else a chance...

Again, I appreciate you all letting me vent...perhaps this wasn't the place... I commend each and everyone of you for your discipline and drive to bring the sport of triathlon to another level.  It has been great being part of the group.

All my best,
Lara Shaw

JUDITH MCSWEENEY <judymcsweeney@hotmail.com> wrote:

i dont agree with the change.
1.  you are asking professional athletes to make a decision that directly and significantly effects amateurs.  they deserve a voice in this
2.  if an amateur is talented enough to place in the money, they deserve it. 
3.  the pro qual and requal for long distance racing is still unsatisfactory and needs to be revised.
4.  ref #3--  you have limited many talented athletes who would be racing pro to race amateur--- most likely scenario is that they will be some of the amateurs placing high...
5.  i think it is wrong that you sent this email across with no respone time. 
6.  i think the race directors should have the freedom to offer a modest purse to all partcipants to attract athletes.
7.  if someone is racing professional then they should not be intimidated by amateurs.  step up and race well..place and it would not be an issue. 
judy

To: e-litebeat@yahoogroups.com
From: alisonaac@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:30:00 +0000
Subject: [e-litebeat] Resolution on prize money for amateurs

All-
The AAC just found out that our resolution regarding prize money for
amateurs is due tomorrow! So, this doesn't leave much time, but please
let us know ASAP if you have any support to help us add to the
following resolution draft. Please let us know if you have any other
reasons why this is important? Do any of you NOT agree with this change?
Thanks,
Alison & the Athletes Advisory Council

---------
Resolution for Board Action
Subject: Prize Purse Limits

Background: At events with $5,000+ in cash prize money, USA
Triathlon's rules limit the elite division to athletes holding a USAT
elite license or an elite license from an ITU member federation. Races
with $5,000+ cash prize purses also require compliance with USAT elite
competition rules. In races with $4,999 and below, amateur athletes
are allowed to race along with elites for the prize purse.

Elite athletes compete in triathlon as a means to make a living,
traveling nationally and internationally to races with prize purses.
Allotting a portion of a prize money purse to amateurs degrades from
the growth of elite triathlon and the number of athletes who will
pursue elite racing in the U.S.

Further, the purpose of amateur sports should not be for financial
gain. Offering prize money to amateurs sends the wrong message about
the purpose of amateur sport.

Further, race directors state that offering prize money for amateurs
helps draw participants to the field. However, the number of amateur
athletes who will plan and adjust racing schedules according to prize
money purses below $5,000 is minimal. Race directors have the
opportunity to offer value-in-kind (VIK) prizes to amateurs, but money
should not be a driver for amateur competition.

This resolution seeks to change the prize money limit from $4,999 to
$0 for amateur athletes.

Financial Impact: None.

Relevant & Affected By-Laws and Procedures:
USAT Competitive Rules: An event with a minimum $5000.00 prize purse
must limit the Elite division to athletes holding a USAT Elite License
or an Elite license from an ITU member federation. All prize money is
reserved for the Elite division.

Whereas, the definition of "amateur" is "one who engages in a pursuit,
study, science, or sport as a pastime rather than as a profession"

Whereas, elite multi-sport athletes rely on their racing careers to
earn a living;

Whereas, the purpose of amateur racing should not be to earn money. If
an athletes is in the sport for money, they should race as an elite;

Whereas, taking prize money and awarding it to amateurs degrades from
the growth of elite triathlon and the number of athletes who will
pursue elite racing in the U.S.

Whereas, race directors will still have the option to offer VIK prizes
to amateurs;

Now therefore be it resolved that, USAT triathlon's minimum cash prize
purse for elites be changed from $5,000 to $0.

This criterion will take effect January 1, 2008.

Submitted by:
Alison DeWall, Elite Athlete Advocate on behalf of the AAC
Joe Umphenour, USAT Board of Directors Member




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RE: [e-litebeat] Resolution on prize money for amateurs

LeRoy said it very well. This resolution is not needed, keep the $5000 level where it is.

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To: e-litebeat@yahoogroups.com
From: lapopowski@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 16:38:53 -0700
Subject: Re: [e-litebeat] Resolution on prize money for amateurs

I am completely against this resolution regarding prize money for USAT
events. All reasons cited for not allowing amateurs to compete for
prize money with the elites simply make no logical sense. If elites are
worried about not making money due to placing behind amateur racers,
they should be embarrassed and reconsider their occupation. A
resolution to limit their competition prior to the event seems nothing
less then cowardly. I don't see any reason why amateurs can't compete
for prize money in races that amateurs and elites have the same start
time and race exactly the same course. Several amateur athletes train
with the goal of entering the elite ranks and welcome the chance to
race against the elites in races that are conducive to this. Denying
these successful amateur athletes prize money simply because they do
not have a license seems to be a certain means of discouraging the
development of triathletes/duathletes. Further, if this resolution
should pass I recommend that all triathletes wishing to race in a
duathlon as an elite must meet criteria for obtaining an elite
duathlete license. Simply holding an elite triathlon license should not
permit them to race as an elite in duathlon.

Sincerely,
LeRoy Popowski
--- Alison Hankins <alisonaac@yahoo.com> wrote:

> All-
> The AAC just found out that our resolution regarding prize money for
> amateurs is due tomorrow! So, this doesn't leave much time, but
> please
> let us know ASAP if you have any support to help us add to the
> following resolution draft. Please let us know if you have any other
> reasons why this is important? Do any of you NOT agree with this
> change?
> Thanks,
> Alison & the Athletes Advisory Council
>
> ---------
> Resolution for Board Action
> Subject: Prize Purse Limits
>
> Background: At events with $5,000+ in cash prize money, USA
> Triathlon's rules limit the elite division to athletes holding a USAT
> elite license or an elite license from an ITU member federation.
> Races
> with $5,000+ cash prize purses also require compliance with USAT
> elite
> competition rules. In races with $4,999 and below, amateur athletes
> are allowed to race along with elites for the prize purse.
>
> Elite athletes compete in triathlon as a means to make a living,
> traveling nationally and internationally to races with prize purses.
> Allotting a portion of a prize money purse to amateurs degrades from
> the growth of elite triathlon and the number of athletes who will
> pursue elite racing in the U.S.
>
> Further, the purpose of amateur sports should not be for financial
> gain. Offering prize money to amateurs sends the wrong message about
> the purpose of amateur sport.
>
> Further, race directors state that offering prize money for amateurs
> helps draw participants to the field. However, the number of amateur
> athletes who will plan and adjust racing schedules according to prize
> money purses below $5,000 is minimal. Race directors have the
> opportunity to offer value-in-kind (VIK) prizes to amateurs, but
> money
> should not be a driver for amateur competition.
>
> This resolution seeks to change the prize money limit from $4,999 to
> $0 for amateur athletes.
>
> Financial Impact: None.
>
> Relevant & Affected By-Laws and Procedures:
> USAT Competitive Rules: An event with a minimum $5000.00 prize purse
> must limit the Elite division to athletes holding a USAT Elite
> License
> or an Elite license from an ITU member federation. All prize money is
> reserved for the Elite division.
>
> Whereas, the definition of "amateur" is "one who engages in a
> pursuit,
> study, science, or sport as a pastime rather than as a profession"
>
> Whereas, elite multi-sport athletes rely on their racing careers to
> earn a living;
>
> Whereas, the purpose of amateur racing should not be to earn money.
> If
> an athletes is in the sport for money, they should race as an elite;
>
> Whereas, taking prize money and awarding it to amateurs degrades from
> the growth of elite triathlon and the number of athletes who will
> pursue elite racing in the U.S.
>
> Whereas, race directors will still have the option to offer VIK
> prizes
> to amateurs;
>
> Now therefore be it resolved that, USAT triathlon's minimum cash
> prize
> purse for elites be changed from $5,000 to $0.
>
> This criterion will take effect January 1, 2008.
>
> Submitted by:
> Alison DeWall, Elite Athlete Advocate on behalf of the AAC
> Joe Umphenour, USAT Board of Directors Member
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [e-litebeat] Re: Resolution on prize money for amateurs

Hi Alison,

I'd also disagree with the resolution. I don't think offering a small amount of cash for amateurs has any bearing on elites.

Thanks!

Todd

---- Alison Hankins <alisonaac@yahoo.com> wrote:
> As always, thanks to everyone for your feedback on the e-lite beat.
>
> I want to clear up a few things- first, this is a DRAFT of a
> resolution that the AAC (your elite athlete reps) wrote and are
> CONSIDERING presenting to the Board. We are presenting it to you first
> for input before we submit it. And, based on the strong feedback we've
> received so far, we may not move forward.
>
> Further, in response to Susie's comment about resolutions being due,
> please see the email pasted below from the Board President- sent
> Sunday- which states resolutions are due by 9/28.
>
> Please remember that the AAC is the group that presented this. It's
> not an outside group trying to push something through. Through our
> discussions we had the impression that this was a move elites wanted
> us to make. We're actually surprised to hear that elites don't mind
> amateur prize purses.
>
> Please keep the feedback coming- we're listening!
> Alison & The AAC
>
> ----- Forwarded Message ----
> From: Rob Kasper <robkasper@bellsouth.net>
> To: Alison DeWall <AlisonAAC@yahoo.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:47:48 PM
> Subject: October Board Meeting
>
> Committee Chairs,
>
>
> ...."Please forward proposed resolutions and agenda items to your
> Board Liaisons so that they can send them to me, copied to Sharon no
> later than September 28."
>
>
>
> Rob Kasper
> Email: robkasper@bellsouth.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In e-litebeat@yahoogroups.com, susiequsmc@... wrote:
>
> > Ditto on Judy's comments. Regarding "AAC just found out the
> resolution is
> > due tomorrow...:" Resolutions are not "due." Whomever is pushing
> for this
> > appears to want to slam dunk it without input from the
> constituency. Just
> > another case of board members abusing their position. Leave the
> issue alone and
> > let the membership provide input before trying to slam this
> through. Address
> > it now and propose a resolution (if necessary) in the spring board
> meeting.
> >
> > And on the subject matter...if a top amateur who works full time can
> make a
> > hundred bucks to help offset some of his or her training costs -
> great! What
> > a great transition to turning pro, if he or she so decides.
> >
> > Susie Gallucci
> >
> >
> > In a message dated 9/28/2007 9:17:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> > judymcsweeney@... writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > i dont agree with the change.
> > 1. you are asking professional athletes to make a decision that
> directly
> > and significantly effects amateurs. they deserve a voice in this
> > 2. if an amateur is talented enough to place in the money, they
> deserve it.
> >
> > 3. the pro qual and requal for long distance racing is still
> unsatisfactory
> > and needs to be revised.
> > 4. ref #3-- you have limited many talented athletes who would be
> racing
> > pro to race amateur--- most likely scenario is that they will be
> some of the
> > amateurs placing high...
> > 5. i think it is wrong that you sent this email across with no
> respone
> > time.
> > 6. i think the race directors should have the freedom to offer a
> modest
> > purse to all partcipants to attract athletes.
> > 7. if someone is racing professional then they should not be
> intimidated by
> > amateurs. step up and race well..place and it would not be an issue.
> > judy
> >
> >
> > ____________________________________
> > To: e-litebeat@yahoogro T
> > From: alisonaac@...
> > Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:30:00 +0000
> > Subject: [e-litebeat] Resolution on prize money for amateurs
> >
> >
> >
> > All-
> > The AAC just found out that our resolution regarding prize money for
> > amateurs is due tomorrow! So, this doesn't leave much time, but please
> > let us know ASAP if you have any support to help us add to the
> > following resolution draft. Please let us know if you have any other
> > reasons why this is important? Do any of you NOT agree with this
> change?
> > Thanks,
> > Alison & the Athletes Advisory Council
> >
> > ---------
> > Resolution for Board Action
> > Subject: Prize Purse Limits
> >
> > Background: At events with $5,000+ in cash prize money, USA
> > Triathlon's rules limit the elite division to athletes holding a USAT
> > elite license or an elite license from an ITU member federation. Races
> > with $5,000+ cash prize purses also require compliance with USAT elite
> > competition rules. In races with $4,999 and below, amateur athletes
> > are allowed to race along with elites for the prize purse.
> >
> > Elite athletes compete in triathlon as a means to make a living,
> > traveling nationally and internationally to races with prize purses.
> > Allotting a portion of a prize money purse to amateurs degrades from
> > the growth of elite triathlon and the number of athletes who will
> > pursue elite racing in the U.S.
> >
> > Further, the purpose of amateur sports should not be for financial
> > gain. Offering prize money to amateurs sends the wrong message about
> > the purpose of amateur sport.
> >
> > Further, race directors state that offering prize money for amateurs
> > helps draw participants to the field. However, the number of amateur
> > athletes who will plan and adjust racing schedules according to prize
> > money purses below $5,000 is minimal. Race directors have the
> > opportunity to offer value-in-kind (VIK) prizes to amateurs, but money
> > should not be a driver for amateur competition.
> >
> > This resolution seeks to change the prize money limit from $4,999 to
> > $0 for amateur athletes.
> >
> > Financial Impact: None.
> >
> > Relevant & Affected By-Laws and Procedures:
> > USAT Competitive Rules: An event with a minimum $5000.00 prize purse
> > must limit the Elite division to athletes holding a USAT Elite License
> > or an Elite license from an ITU member federation. All prize money is
> > reserved for the Elite division.
> >
> > Whereas, the definition of "amateur" is "one who engages in a pursuit,
> > study, science, or sport as a pastime rather than as a profession"
> >
> > Whereas, elite multi-sport athletes rely on their racing careers to
> > earn a living;
> >
> > Whereas, the purpose of amateur racing should not be to earn money. If
> > an athletes is in the sport for money, they should race as an elite;
> >
> > Whereas, taking prize money and awarding it to amateurs degrades from
> > the growth of elite triathlon and the number of athletes who will
> > pursue elite racing in the U.S.
> >
> > Whereas, race directors will still have the option to offer VIK prizes
> > to amateurs;
> >
> > Now therefore be it resolved that, USAT triathlon's minimum cash prize
> > purse for elites be changed from $5,000 to $0.
> >
> > This criterion will take effect January 1, 2008.
> >
> > Submitted by:
> > Alison DeWall, Elite Athlete Advocate on behalf of the AAC
> > Joe Umphenour, USAT Board of Directors Member
> >
> http://www.aol.com
> >
>
>

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[e-litebeat] Re: Resolution on prize money for amateurs

As always, thanks to everyone for your feedback on the e-lite beat.

I want to clear up a few things- first, this is a DRAFT of a
resolution that the AAC (your elite athlete reps) wrote and are
CONSIDERING presenting to the Board. We are presenting it to you first
for input before we submit it. And, based on the strong feedback we've
received so far, we may not move forward.

Further, in response to Susie's comment about resolutions being due,
please see the email pasted below from the Board President- sent
Sunday- which states resolutions are due by 9/28.

Please remember that the AAC is the group that presented this. It's
not an outside group trying to push something through. Through our
discussions we had the impression that this was a move elites wanted
us to make. We're actually surprised to hear that elites don't mind
amateur prize purses.

Please keep the feedback coming- we're listening!
Alison & The AAC

----- Forwarded Message ----
From: Rob Kasper <robkasper@bellsouth.net>
To: Alison DeWall <AlisonAAC@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:47:48 PM
Subject: October Board Meeting

Committee Chairs,

...."Please forward proposed resolutions and agenda items to your
Board Liaisons so that they can send them to me, copied to Sharon no
later than September 28."

Rob Kasper
Email: robkasper@bellsouth.net

--- In e-litebeat@yahoogroups.com, susiequsmc@... wrote:

> Ditto on Judy's comments. Regarding "AAC just found out the
resolution is
> due tomorrow...:" Resolutions are not "due." Whomever is pushing
for this
> appears to want to slam dunk it without input from the
constituency. Just
> another case of board members abusing their position. Leave the
issue alone and
> let the membership provide input before trying to slam this
through. Address
> it now and propose a resolution (if necessary) in the spring board
meeting.
>
> And on the subject matter...if a top amateur who works full time can
make a
> hundred bucks to help offset some of his or her training costs -
great! What
> a great transition to turning pro, if he or she so decides.
>
> Susie Gallucci
>
>
> In a message dated 9/28/2007 9:17:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> judymcsweeney@... writes:
>
>
>
>
> i dont agree with the change.
> 1. you are asking professional athletes to make a decision that
directly
> and significantly effects amateurs. they deserve a voice in this
> 2. if an amateur is talented enough to place in the money, they
deserve it.
>
> 3. the pro qual and requal for long distance racing is still
unsatisfactory
> and needs to be revised.
> 4. ref #3-- you have limited many talented athletes who would be
racing
> pro to race amateur--- most likely scenario is that they will be
some of the
> amateurs placing high...
> 5. i think it is wrong that you sent this email across with no
respone
> time.
> 6. i think the race directors should have the freedom to offer a
modest
> purse to all partcipants to attract athletes.
> 7. if someone is racing professional then they should not be
intimidated by
> amateurs. step up and race well..place and it would not be an issue.
> judy
>
>
> ____________________________________
> To: e-litebeat@yahoogro T
> From: alisonaac@...
> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:30:00 +0000
> Subject: [e-litebeat] Resolution on prize money for amateurs
>
>
>
> All-
> The AAC just found out that our resolution regarding prize money for
> amateurs is due tomorrow! So, this doesn't leave much time, but please
> let us know ASAP if you have any support to help us add to the
> following resolution draft. Please let us know if you have any other
> reasons why this is important? Do any of you NOT agree with this
change?
> Thanks,
> Alison & the Athletes Advisory Council
>
> ---------
> Resolution for Board Action
> Subject: Prize Purse Limits
>
> Background: At events with $5,000+ in cash prize money, USA
> Triathlon's rules limit the elite division to athletes holding a USAT
> elite license or an elite license from an ITU member federation. Races
> with $5,000+ cash prize purses also require compliance with USAT elite
> competition rules. In races with $4,999 and below, amateur athletes
> are allowed to race along with elites for the prize purse.
>
> Elite athletes compete in triathlon as a means to make a living,
> traveling nationally and internationally to races with prize purses.
> Allotting a portion of a prize money purse to amateurs degrades from
> the growth of elite triathlon and the number of athletes who will
> pursue elite racing in the U.S.
>
> Further, the purpose of amateur sports should not be for financial
> gain. Offering prize money to amateurs sends the wrong message about
> the purpose of amateur sport.
>
> Further, race directors state that offering prize money for amateurs
> helps draw participants to the field. However, the number of amateur
> athletes who will plan and adjust racing schedules according to prize
> money purses below $5,000 is minimal. Race directors have the
> opportunity to offer value-in-kind (VIK) prizes to amateurs, but money
> should not be a driver for amateur competition.
>
> This resolution seeks to change the prize money limit from $4,999 to
> $0 for amateur athletes.
>
> Financial Impact: None.
>
> Relevant & Affected By-Laws and Procedures:
> USAT Competitive Rules: An event with a minimum $5000.00 prize purse
> must limit the Elite division to athletes holding a USAT Elite License
> or an Elite license from an ITU member federation. All prize money is
> reserved for the Elite division.
>
> Whereas, the definition of "amateur" is "one who engages in a pursuit,
> study, science, or sport as a pastime rather than as a profession"
>
> Whereas, elite multi-sport athletes rely on their racing careers to
> earn a living;
>
> Whereas, the purpose of amateur racing should not be to earn money. If
> an athletes is in the sport for money, they should race as an elite;
>
> Whereas, taking prize money and awarding it to amateurs degrades from
> the growth of elite triathlon and the number of athletes who will
> pursue elite racing in the U.S.
>
> Whereas, race directors will still have the option to offer VIK prizes
> to amateurs;
>
> Now therefore be it resolved that, USAT triathlon's minimum cash prize
> purse for elites be changed from $5,000 to $0.
>
> This criterion will take effect January 1, 2008.
>
> Submitted by:
> Alison DeWall, Elite Athlete Advocate on behalf of the AAC
> Joe Umphenour, USAT Board of Directors Member
>
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>

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RE: [e-litebeat] Resolution on prize money for amateurs


Thanks to Leroy for mentioning duathlon.  If this resolution will help increase the number of duathlons with elite fields than I am all for it.  There are so few duathlons with elite only waves - for 2008 we have identified only 3 races before the World Championships in September:  Desert Classic, Powerman Albabma, and Nationals.  Only one of these is draft-legal. We have great elite duathlons in the US.  We should have more opportunities to race in our own waves, with some of the races being draft-legal.

Anne


To: e-litebeat@yahoogroups.com
From: alisonaac@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:30:00 +0000
Subject: [e-litebeat] Resolution on prize money for amateurs

All-
The AAC just found out that our resolution regarding prize money for
amateurs is due tomorrow! So, this doesn't leave much time, but please
let us know ASAP if you have any support to help us add to the
following resolution draft. Please let us know if you have any other
reasons why this is important? Do any of you NOT agree with this change?
Thanks,
Alison & the Athletes Advisory Council

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Resolution for Board Action
Subject: Prize Purse Limits

Background: At events with $5,000+ in cash prize money, USA
Triathlon's rules limit the elite division to athletes holding a USAT
elite license or an elite license from an ITU member federation. Races
with $5,000+ cash prize purses also require compliance with USAT elite
competition rules. In races with $4,999 and below, amateur athletes
are allowed to race along with elites for the prize purse.

Elite athletes compete in triathlon as a means to make a living,
traveling nationally and internationally to races with prize purses.
Allotting a portion of a prize money purse to amateurs degrades from
the growth of elite triathlon and the number of athletes who will
pursue elite racing in the U.S.

Further, the purpose of amateur sports should not be for financial
gain. Offering prize money to amateurs sends the wrong message about
the purpose of amateur sport.

Further, race directors state that offering prize money for amateurs
helps draw participants to the field. However, the number of amateur
athletes who will plan and adjust racing schedules according to prize
money purses below $5,000 is minimal. Race directors have the
opportunity to offer value-in-kind (VIK) prizes to amateurs, but money
should not be a driver for amateur competition.

This resolution seeks to change the prize money limit from $4,999 to
$0 for amateur athletes.

Financial Impact: None.

Relevant & Affected By-Laws and Procedures:
USAT Competitive Rules: An event with a minimum $5000.00 prize purse
must limit the Elite division to athletes holding a USAT Elite License
or an Elite license from an ITU member federation. All prize money is
reserved for the Elite division.

Whereas, the definition of "amateur" is "one who engages in a pursuit,
study, science, or sport as a pastime rather than as a profession"

Whereas, elite multi-sport athletes rely on their racing careers to
earn a living;

Whereas, the purpose of amateur racing should not be to earn money. If
an athletes is in the sport for money, they should race as an elite;

Whereas, taking prize money and awarding it to amateurs degrades from
the growth of elite triathlon and the number of athletes who will
pursue elite racing in the U.S.

Whereas, race directors will still have the option to offer VIK prizes
to amateurs;

Now therefore be it resolved that, USAT triathlon's minimum cash prize
purse for elites be changed from $5,000 to $0.

This criterion will take effect January 1, 2008.

Submitted by:
Alison DeWall, Elite Athlete Advocate on behalf of the AAC
Joe Umphenour, USAT Board of Directors Member




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Re: [e-litebeat] Resolution on prize money for amateurs

Ditto on Judy's comments.  Regarding "AAC just found out the resolution is due tomorrow...:"  Resolutions are not "due."  Whomever is pushing for this appears to want to slam dunk it without input from the constituency.  Just another case of board members abusing their position.  Leave the issue alone and let the membership provide input before trying to slam this through.  Address it now and propose a resolution (if necessary) in the spring board meeting.
 
And on the subject matter...if a top amateur who works full time can make a hundred bucks to help offset some of his or her training costs - great!  What a great transition to turning pro, if he or she so decides. 
 
Susie Gallucci
 
 
In a message dated 9/28/2007 9:17:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, judymcsweeney@hotmail.com writes:

i dont agree with the change.
1.  you are asking professional athletes to make a decision that directly and significantly effects amateurs.  they deserve a voice in this
2.  if an amateur is talented enough to place in the money, they deserve it. 
3.  the pro qual and requal for long distance racing is still unsatisfactory and needs to be revised.
4.  ref #3--  you have limited many talented athletes who would be racing pro to race amateur--- most likely scenario is that they will be some of the amateurs placing high...
5.  i think it is wrong that you sent this email across with no respone time. 
6.  i think the race directors should have the freedom to offer a modest purse to all partcipants to attract athletes.
7.  if someone is racing professional then they should not be intimidated by amateurs.  step up and race well..place and it would not be an issue. 
judy


To: e-litebeat@yahoogroups.com
From: alisonaac@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 20:30:00 +0000
Subject: [e-litebeat] Resolution on prize money for amateurs

All-
The AAC just found out that our resolution regarding prize money for
amateurs is due tomorrow! So, this doesn't leave much time, but please
let us know ASAP if you have any support to help us add to the
following resolution draft. Please let us know if you have any other
reasons why this is important? Do any of you NOT agree with this change?
Thanks,
Alison & the Athletes Advisory Council

---------
Resolution for Board Action
Subject: Prize Purse Limits

Background: At events with $5,000+ in cash prize money, USA
Triathlon's rules limit the elite division to athletes holding a USAT
elite license or an elite license from an ITU member federation. Races
with $5,000+ cash prize purses also require compliance with USAT elite
competition rules. In races with $4,999 and below, amateur athletes
are allowed to race along with elites for the prize purse.

Elite athletes compete in triathlon as a means to make a living,
traveling nationally and internationally to races with prize purses.
Allotting a portion of a prize money purse to amateurs degrades from
the growth of elite triathlon and the number of athletes who will
pursue elite racing in the U.S.

Further, the purpose of amateur sports should not be for financial
gain. Offering prize money to amateurs sends the wrong message about
the purpose of amateur sport.

Further, race directors state that offering prize money for amateurs
helps draw participants to the field. However, the number of amateur
athletes who will plan and adjust racing schedules according to prize
money purses below $5,000 is minimal. Race directors have the
opportunity to offer value-in-kind (VIK) prizes to amateurs, but money
should not be a driver for amateur competition.

This resolution seeks to change the prize money limit from $4,999 to
$0 for amateur athletes.

Financial Impact: None.

Relevant & Affected By-Laws and Procedures:
USAT Competitive Rules: An event with a minimum $5000.00 prize purse
must limit the Elite division to athletes holding a USAT Elite License
or an Elite license from an ITU member federation. All prize money is
reserved for the Elite division.

Whereas, the definition of "amateur" is "one who engages in a pursuit,
study, science, or sport as a pastime rather than as a profession"

Whereas, elite multi-sport athletes rely on their racing careers to
earn a living;

Whereas, the purpose of amateur racing should not be to earn money. If
an athletes is in the sport for money, they should race as an elite;

Whereas, taking prize money and awarding it to amateurs degrades from
the growth of elite triathlon and the number of athletes who will
pursue elite racing in the U.S.

Whereas, race directors will still have the option to offer VIK prizes
to amateurs;

Now therefore be it resolved that, USAT triathlon's minimum cash prize
purse for elites be changed from $5,000 to $0.

This criterion will take effect January 1, 2008.

Submitted by:
Alison DeWall, Elite Athlete Advocate on behalf of the AAC
Joe Umphenour, USAT Board of Directors Member




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